Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (22 Dec 2010 20:47 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? John Cowan (23 Dec 2010 01:49 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (23 Dec 2010 08:25 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? John Cowan (23 Dec 2010 09:13 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (23 Dec 2010 09:26 UTC)
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Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (23 Dec 2010 09:28 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Andre van Tonder (23 Dec 2010 15:11 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? John Cowan (24 Dec 2010 01:14 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Eli Barzilay (24 Dec 2010 01:40 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (24 Dec 2010 08:55 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? John Cowan (24 Dec 2010 09:20 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (24 Dec 2010 09:26 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? John Cowan (25 Dec 2010 00:32 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Adrien "Pied" Piérard (24 Dec 2010 11:51 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (24 Dec 2010 12:49 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Eli Barzilay (24 Dec 2010 16:04 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Andre van Tonder (24 Dec 2010 18:33 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Adrien "Pied" Piérard (27 Dec 2010 01:59 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? John Cowan (27 Dec 2010 05:51 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Adrien "Pied" Piérard (27 Dec 2010 06:22 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] case reborn Peter Kourzanov (27 Dec 2010 09:55 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] do we need to redefine eqv? Peter Kourzanov (29 Dec 2010 12:54 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (24 Dec 2010 12:24 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Eli Barzilay (24 Dec 2010 16:02 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (24 Dec 2010 18:17 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Andre van Tonder (24 Dec 2010 18:44 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Andre van Tonder (24 Dec 2010 18:40 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (24 Dec 2010 20:07 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? John Cowan (24 Dec 2010 20:40 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (24 Dec 2010 22:11 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? Shiro Kawai (24 Dec 2010 22:27 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov (25 Dec 2010 00:48 UTC)
Re: [r6rs-discuss] [Scheme-reports] redefining eqv? John Cowan (25 Dec 2010 00:29 UTC)
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Re: [Scheme-reports] [r6rs-discuss] redefining eqv? Peter Kourzanov 22 Dec 2010 20:47 UTC

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 15:15 -0500, John Cowan wrote:

> I haven't found any Schemes except Scheme 9 on which this fails, but
> there is nothing in any Scheme standard to make it work.  In C, on the
> other hand, the equivalent construction is not allowed to fail: fopen()
> is naturally definable in terms of open(), but if you define your own open(),
> it cannot affect the behavior of fopen() on conformant ISO C systems.

That's because the definition of open() (typically a macro) is captured
when an unnamed library containing fopen() is compiled (for performance
reasons). And it is typically a direct interrupt to the OS. On the other
hand, with fopen() itself, you can play LD_PRELOAD tricks, hijack other
functions from that same library, or play linker tricks or ...

>
> On the gripping hand, if you define your own length in terms of cdr
> (as is natural), you will get a failure if cdr is redefined later in the
> REPL.
>
> The problem's a mess.
>

Can we do anything about it in the interpreter besides special-casing
a whole bunch of functions from the base library?

And should we do anything about it? Not that there are no other ways of
shooting yourself in the foot (see above)...

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