Re: [Scheme-reports] [scheme-reports-wg2] Re: EQV? on numbers should be based on operational equivalence
John Cowan 07 Jun 2012 19:43 UTC
Emmanuel Medernach scripsit:
> Ok, so signaling NaNs are really to be proceeded with care. Then is it
> advisable to provide them or do we provide only quiet ones ?
According to the IEEE 754 revision committee minutes at
<http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/754/meeting-minutes/02-07-18.html>:
At this point, we again turned to the troubles of signaling
NaNs. Hough asked whether we still thought we might use
signaling NaNs to indicate unknowns; if so, he said, then we
ought to revisit some of our discussions on negating signaling
NaNs, for instance. Kahan pointed out that the origin
of signaling NaNs was a political compromise. There were
members on the original committee who thought infinity was
too drastic for overflow and zero too drastic for underflow,
and so the signaling NaN was proposed as a kludge to allow
them to implement whatever they wanted. Other people found
different uses, but not many. The biggest use is to represent
uninitialized data.
Zuras asked whether we could just use quiet NaNs for
uninitialized data. The only operations which are not
NaN preserving are those which would ignore the operand
anyhow. Hough argued that uninitialized data is still a
compelling reason to maintain signaling NaNs. Kahan thought the
right idea, even if the implementation is difficult, is that
when signaling NaNs are used as arithmetic operands, they are
first either replaced with a quiet NaN or they are replaced
with some quantity determined by the programmer. Kahan then
repeated Hough's point: if it is to be used for uninitialized
data, signaling NaNs should generate a signal other than
"invalid operation."
In my opinion, providing a way to test for signaling NaNs is all we should do.
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