Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Andy Wingo (07 May 2014 19:38 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Andy Wingo (14 May 2014 20:45 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Arthur A. Gleckler (14 May 2014 20:56 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Per Bothner (14 May 2014 23:11 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot John Cowan (15 May 2014 03:22 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Per Bothner (15 May 2014 07:14 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot John Cowan (15 May 2014 13:30 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Per Bothner (15 May 2014 22:08 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Alaric Snell-Pym (15 May 2014 10:47 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot John Cowan (15 May 2014 12:20 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Sascha Ziemann (16 May 2014 08:37 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Alaric Snell-Pym (16 May 2014 08:46 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Peter Bex (16 May 2014 08:57 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot John Cowan (16 May 2014 21:05 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot John Cowan (16 May 2014 20:26 UTC)
Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot xacc.ide@gmail.com (16 May 2014 20:41 UTC)

Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot Per Bothner 14 May 2014 23:06 UTC

On 05/14/2014 01:37 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:
> Anyway more to the point, I don't care enough to overcome my gripes with
> the process.  I don't think that the R7RS process is good for language
> design or specification.

I'm reasonably content with how R7RS-small turned out.  It's a good size,
and a sane/coherent updating of R5RS and (a trimming-down of) R6RS, though
of course we can quibble about various issues.

I'm more nervous about R7RS-large.  I'm OK with the concept of a larger language,
but it's hard to grow a larger language "by committee".  There is something to
be said for either a "benevolent dictator" or a small committee of experts.
Voting on features by the community at large (i.e. anyone who cares to vote)
does not seem the way to design R7RS-large.  I think it's fine to do a poll
to get a sense of the community, but it should never be deciding.

I don't know what the solution is.  It is possible that R7RS-large is too
ambitious, at least for the Scheme community.  Perhaps we should aim for a
more modest r7.1rs with a few optional additions.  Perhaps every other year
we could have a new 7.x point release with some modules we can take more
time to get consensus for.  Instead focusing on features perhaps it is
more important to find a standards language and framework for optional
features and modules.
--
	--Per Bothner
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